Plant Conversation 2: Luis Eduardo Luna and Kristi Onzik

'Pinturas' by Pablo Amaringo

Plant Conversation 2: Luis Eduardo Luna and Kristi Onzik

hosted by Alex Greene

Join anthropologists Luis Eduardo Luna (representing ayahuasca) and Kristi Onzik (representing the passionflower) as they delve into philosophical and existential questions inspired by plants. Dichotomies like science and religion and waking and dreaming emerge in the conversation and are unpacked. Their discussion of the limitations of (human) language leads to a recognition of the importance of careful terminology and the search for new modes of expression in understanding plant cognition and consciousness. Finally, Luis and Kristi turn their gaze to embodiment itself, and ask what plants can teach us about ‘individuality’.

In a way, all storytelling is a kind of dreaming, all of life is a kind of dreaming.
“Certainties. I have less and less certainties, but I have more and more questions.”
“I became the plant, the plant was me, we were one, and there was communication happening that I currently cannot portray in the English language.”
“You know, I was thinking that as children we are all animistic. And our ancestors were all animistic. So in fact this Western way of approaching the world is deception, and it is quite new.”
“We started to talk about plants, and we ended at philosophy, or cosmology, because we are wondering about the nature of reality… To think with plants is to be open to those questions”